DISQUS

Andrew Chen (@andrew_chen): Are Web 2.0 startups wasting their time with Web 2.0 early adopters?

  • Nabeel Haytt · 1 year ago

    We think about this all the time. This is even more complicated in community building companies like social networks, MMOs, etc. Often the early community ends up leaving an un-erasable mark on the future of your community (e.g. Digg).


    Which is to say, if you believe that your early adopter audience is not Techcrunchies -- then it behooves you to make sure the early users of your community are not from that group. However, this seems to run counter to a lot of typical approaches from web startups. The prevailing wisdom is "you can't pick your customer" and "build it and see which users like it."


    These two ideas seem to be in direct conflict, no?

  • Challenjer · 1 year ago

    One important reason for visibility among the TechCrunchies is distribution -- we want our app and API embedded in *their* apps. Sort of the B2B exception, but not exactly.

  • Pete Mauro · 1 year ago

    Back in April I got an email from TechCruch with an offer to shoot a 60 second pitch for my company. They were doing a ton of these setups before the TC/PopSugar event. They only gave me 48 hours to prepare but I was excited anyway.


    A couple hours later I came to my senses. Why do I want to bust my ass for 2 days to be featured on the TechCrunch site? I am not looking for funding and my target audience is 15-25 year olds.


  • Pete Mauro · 1 year ago

    edit: TechCrunch's Elevator Pitch site - even more reason not to waste my time.

  • Paul · 1 year ago

    If you have a really unique and innovative offering then it may be harmful to be profiled on techcrunch too early. I and basically everyone I know who reads it is looking for the "next best thing"


    Check out friendfeed & twitter. these are products that get an unusual amount of attention on these blogs because the editors use them and love them. Also look at the effect of the high visibility of these products - there is now a dozen or so "twitter clones" and "freindfeed clones" including open source clones to make your own!

  • Bret · 1 year ago

    Last month, I started doing an analysis of Facebook apps that had been profiled on one of the big tech blogs at launch(never finished becasue it got boring quick). Those stories had no effect of Facebook app growth in the slightest. For the obvious reasons you list above. The core thing that a tech blog writeup gives a startup is validation. I know a couple companies who raised their Series A without having to pitch because of a favorable writeup in Techcrunch. The takeaway is don't bother with the tech blogs until you ready to raise VC money.

  • Darren Herman · 1 year ago

    I've been harping this point a long time - YES.

  • Rick Calvert · 1 year ago

    Fantastic post Andrew! I just had a conversation with someone about this over the weekend.


    Of course we believe a lot of new media / social media companies would be well served by exhibiting / sponsoring BlogWorld which is not an overly "early adopter" crowd but a social media crowd. These are folks who want solutions to help them create, distribute and monetize their content and who have never heard of Techcrunch.





  • Fraser · 1 year ago

    The notion of a high-tech early-adopter has been fractured, which compounds the problem. Gone are the days when a group can follow the Christensen playbook to achieve adoption amongst early-adopters and use them to traverse into the bigger markets.


    We live in interesting times.

  • Ted R. · 1 year ago

    Well said!


    The "Cold Start" problem is one of the biggest start-up killers out there. It's also one of the hardest things to test during development, which entices many people to think it's okay to skip it.


    Other causes I often see are:


    * Most tech developers have only focused on tech and post-launch product release in their careers, and very rarely have done any brand development and original product releases.

    * Many people think because they believe their product is better it will market itself (If you build it they will come)


    * Many VCs are ready to believe marketing is just a matter of marketing headcount and retained PR.


    * Many start-ups convince themselves they (or their mothers) are reliable market research pools.


    * Many start-ups overconfidently think that since the marketspace is huge, just getting 1% adoption would be all it takes, and that since that is such a small adoption rate, it should be easy enough to achieve.


    In my experience, The needles in traffic stats created by TechCruch and the like are almost never populated by target customers, it's by industry peers focused on their own projects.


    To know you have a commercial success requires seeing active and consistent usage by a sizable customer base. You may get a different set of customers than you expected, but you need to know that there is at least one real customer base that wants to become long-term customers. And ideally, you want to have confirmed this customer base in advance before committing to the company.


    [Thanks Andrew, for keeping it real out there ;]

  • Shane · 1 year ago

    I don't feel it's a waste of time at all. For a startup, sites such as Techcrunch are just another marketing vehicle. Word of mouth is very important for cash strapped startups.


    The objectives of these vehicles are to gain expose to VC's and other "A" Listers. If you can gain the validation and housekeeping seal of approval of the "A" Listers then you've won half the battle. Testimonials work wonders! Therefore, it's only 1 component of a 2 pronged strategy. The other component is building awareness amongst your true target market.


    Remember FTW ;)

  • Wolf · 1 year ago

    I believe this is right on. I see this happening for intraprenauers as well. There is a need to strengthen the marketing of innovation to address the motivations of the early majority. That is where the real ROI takes off. http://wolfsblahblahblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/is-moores-chasm-theory-telling.html

  • Matt · 1 year ago

    Excellent post Andrew. When we initially launched our alpha version two years ago, we deliberately shied away from mainstream technology blogs as we realised that if we got profiled, we wouldn't be able to afford the increase in traffic and bandwidth required (although thankfully Mashable did mention us in the end, but on a day when other news dwarfed our project). Since then we've steadily grown traffic and have been able to increase server capacity as and when it could be afforded.

  • Joseph Jaffe · 1 year ago

    Absolutely. Everyone is an influencer at something. To think that a small bunch of affected A-listers are a panacea or silver bullet is horribly flawed.


    That said, I do think that we are also radically underestimating the power of long tail influence, which is still very much in its nascency.

  • Boo · 1 year ago

    Well written! I have been thinking of this for some time. I am not a typical early adopter at all. Second wave at best and usually I do adopt to learn a service and mine it for its potential use in education.


    With this constant eye open for how a gadget or service can be used for schools, I see a huge untapped market on one side that has longevity and built in inroads into things like mommy markets and much more.


    If say, a bunch of these services united and dedicated a branch of themselves to forming and being a part of a new type of school system, (and online academy the likes of which is yet unknown as those that exist don't early adopt almost anything)they would in essence BE the school. They would have a built in market. The students would use their resources to learn and their families to keep tabs. The teachers and admin to do the content work of the school. And they would take what they know of the services and use them personally later.


    I don't see public ed as it exists giving up the reigns to tech, but charters are legal and if developers could unite to form such a school eventually there would be no chasm. They would begin in the belly of the bell.


    It's a weird idea, but it does address getting to those unreached markets in a way that helps everyone.






  • Jason Kolb · 1 year ago

    I've wondered about this as well. You really don't see any startups launching AT the consumer, they launch at the Silicon Valley crowd. The last time we saw Web startups marketed to Joe Public was during the first dot com bubble, when it was done very poorly (sock puppet Super Bowl commercial?)


    It makes me wonder what the marketing plans are they show to the VC's. Surely everyone isn't trying to sell to Google?

  • Simon Newstead · 1 year ago

    This is a great post ...


    @Pete, we're in a similar situation, launching a new offering targeting 15-25yo web users, and with no tech flavor (although behind the scenes there is a lot of advanced technology).


    Whilst it's tempting to spend a lot of time on promotions with the tech blogs and Silicon Valley early adopters, we're thinking it may be better to spend more time going after individual trend-setters out there in consumer land... Even just one mass invite message from them to their hundreds of friends is enough buzz to get started and probably less work than getting a lot of tech blog coverage..

  • davemc500hats · 1 year ago

    nice post, altho i think this was probably expressed nicely in Josh's 53,361 post from a few years back:

    http://redeye.firstround.com/2006/05/53651.html


    that said, i like your updated examples & pics/graphs... and the observation is certainly worth repeating.


    (aka "the beatings will continue until morale improves" ;)

  • Ric · 1 year ago

    Great reminder Andrew! Its funny to me when savvy start-up individuals forget the basics of sound PR and marketing when rolling out a property that has any sort of demographic focus. I hope the extra effort I am putting into a promotion strategy for a rollout later this year will be a success story confirming the wisdom of the principles you outlined here.

  • jonathanmendez · 1 year ago

    IMO this is more of a SV/West Coast mentality than Boston/NY.


    It can probably be traced back to the beginning of the web in 95 when Tupac was more interested in developing a great flow and intellectual stylings while Biggie was more interested in making cash and girls...


    Anyway, great post Andrew.

  • Dennis D. McDonald · 1 year ago

    I wouldn't recommend ignoring the a-listers just yet. True, a lot of their dealings are with fellow "echo chamber" tech-savvy folks, but a lot of the followers of a-listers are people wanting to learn about technology. Many folks seek out "who are the best people to follow in order to learn about technology" and that's one of the main reasons that Scoble et al gain audience share. Of course you need to focus efforts at reaching non-tech-savvy folks as well but a-listers are just part of the mix.