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Andrew Chen (@andrew_chen): How do you do concrete interviews for non-technical people?

  • JunLoayza · 7 months ago
    I remember when I was recruiting my senior year at UCLA. Behavioral interviews were a joke. "What are your three greatest strengths?" or "Tell me a time when you were a leader of a situation." Cmon... are you serious? This is the best you can do.

    But then, I came across the case interview questions for management consulting. This case interviews were extremely tough and I remember studying for 4 weeks just for the interview. So, I do believe that there are concrete, credible interviews outside of engineering. Management Consulting and I-banking interviews are to types of careers that do have tough, yet very technical interviews.

    I do like the questions you suggested. I would add one more: Give them a real live case. Give them a problem that you just had to solve or deal with a client, and see if they can solve it right in front of you. If they're able to do it, then there's a high possibility that they can do their job.

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    - Jun Loayza
  • Andrew Chen · 7 months ago
    Jun,
    I definitely agree that case interviews are useful for consulting, specifically, but would wonder how much a case interview style would make sense across different roles.

    I think it tests a very specific set of knowledge for the consulting industry. Namely, a lot of the industry is about drilling into things (qualitatively and quantitatively), doing research, and presenting stuff back. I'd argue that it's a subtype of my Part 3 set of questions? So for the consulting industry it's great, but for a nontechnical role like a hiring manager, I'd rather just sit them down in front of a computer and see them work, rather than asking them questions.

    Just the thought off the top of my head...
  • Tommy "G" Wu · 6 months ago
    I agree that it's best to ask them for a deliverable that mimics a real situation you may face in that position. Too many banking and consulting interviews are setting up situations that 1) never happen and 2) can be prepared for by reading a vault guide. In banking they tend to ask you for formulas that you can memorize and/or be taught in about 1 hour. In consulting, they ask you to do a good deal of market sizing (e.g. how many grey volvos are in the U.S.) off the top of your head, which is COMPLETELY realistic since I'm sure that's exactly what Bain consultants do when they are asked a question by a client (or maybe they take 6 months, a massive team to tell you what you already know in a PowerPoint deck. I suppose it would be hard to replicate that in a 1 hour timeslot).

    I think the trouble with most interviews is they have a predictable pattern that can be investigated beforehand. An interviewer wants to test a candidate not only on their knowledge base, but also their ability to grow (raw intelligence). I think testing raw intelligence requires putting them outside their comfort zone by creating novel situations the candidate doesn't have full experience with. Novel situations are only novel to the extent of the usage of that question. Thus, it's hard for this to be scalable and normalize between candidates (e.g. Google needs to be able to pick from a subset of questions to ask their candidates, but these questions must be carefully picked to each candidate and refreshed constantly). I think the challenge is equivalent to having to write a GMAT test that adapts to each user and returns a consistent score... every week.
  • Andrew Chen · 6 months ago
    Good comment. You should have your own blog ;-)
  • chudson · 7 months ago
    Andrew,

    Good post, as always. There's something worth noting that wasn't mentioned. It's not just about asking the right questions, it's also about having people who know how to interpret the responses. One of the challenges for startups is that while you might have 5-6 engineers who know what a good engineer looks like, you might have 1 or in some cases 0 people in the company who have a firm understanding of what a good BD, sales, marketing, or operations person looks like. Even having access to the right level of rigor won't necessarily help that company identify the right person and whether he / she is competent.

    One thing I've seen work well is to have the Board or some trusted advisors / friends who are familiar with what skill and competence in the aforementioned fields looks like be an integral part of the skills portion of the interview. The core team has to make the call on culture, but there's simply no substitute for having a skilled marketer, biz dev person, or salesperson evaluate one of their own ilk and render judgment.
  • Andrew Chen · 7 months ago
    Very true! Great point.
  • Jerry Ji · 7 months ago
    I asked a similar question on Hacker News a while ago -- http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=516032 (How do you recognise good business guys if you're a programmer?) -- and found most of the responses/comments insightful.
  • chudson · 7 months ago
    Just read your article and the feedback - good stuff!
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  • fnthawar · 7 months ago
    Great write-up on how to search for the elusive great non-technical person. I would say as far as interview process goes, I highly recommend TopGrading as a way to get to the meat of a candidates experience. I think the following statement mostly holds: "The best indicator of future success is past success".

    This can be brought out with a TopGrading style interview.
  • ShanaC · 7 months ago
    I would add that if you want to potentially break the law*, you could always try giving someone something like the Guilford's Alternative Uses Test (in three minutes come up with all the uses that one can think of for an object.)

    It is one think to know your material. It is another to be creative and be able to adapt your material well to a new situation. I assume this would be a superb quality in a startup.

    (*However, in the United States, you are not allowed to give aptitude tests as part of job applications. I am not sure if this would qualify. Ask a lawyer.)
  • alexis bonte · 7 months ago
    Hi Andrew, great post again (I now save them so i can read them when I have some thinking time). There is one thing that I think you underestimate and that I've seen after hiring probably close to one hundred people in 12 years of being an entrepreneur. If your impression in the first 2 minutes is not great and you are not dying to have the person on your team, then unlikely its the right person (not necessarily for the job but almost surely for your company).
  • Shawn Smith · 4 months ago
    I re-read this post after reading your latest, and it's something that has always bothered me too.

    I think one reason companies don't put this kind of rigor into non-technical interviews is the same reason most basketball teams don't use a full-court press (despite the fact it's near certain to bring much better results): because it's hard.

    Another reason was alluded to by chudson. That is, companies don't really know what they are looking for from non-technical people. A small company interviewing for, say, a director of product management might have candidates meet with the CEO, VP Engineering, VP Marketing, etc. None of these people works in the trenches of product, and so none has a concrete notion of what they really need.

    Finally, I once interviewed for a company that had candidates write an essay about exceptional customer experience, and then do a substantial amount of work (i.e. deliverables) on a hypothetical client project - and then present it to a group. This was rigorous, concrete and comprehensive. When the company hired me, however, it became obvious that they didn't operate with this kind of rigor, and so it might have been better for them to devise a way to find out how well I would perform amidst chaos and constant fire drills.

    (basketball reference above is courtesy Malcolm Gladwell's article in the May 11 issue of the New Yorker - http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/11/0... )