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Andrew Chen (@andrew_chen): What would Facebook look like if it sold out to ads? Click here to see…

  • jeremyliew · 1 year ago
    I reckon facebook music is an example of #1.
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    yep, I agree with that.

    It also depends a bit on how it's built as a product - somehow I doubt it'll be a top-level tab the way MySpace has it, but rather it'd be implemented as a pre-installed app like Photos. The question is whether they end up building a central high traffic music section that may be more merchandisable than a bunch of fragmented pages spread throughout peoples' profiles.

    So the question is just how far they're going to go with it...
  • David · 1 year ago
    Facebook is leaving a huge piece of ad $$ on the table by not having an ad unit on their login page (www.facebook.com). The traffic to that page is currently un-monetized. I don't think one ad unit on the login page will cause that much of a difference in terms of user experience.
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    i think they are just extremists on the user experience, which has served them well ;-)

    David, your myspace nature is coming to light!
  • Jamie Scheu · 1 year ago
    Oh man. I actually laughed out loud when I saw that mockup of Facebook with ads.

    Very thoughful, in depth look at the future of ads for Facebook. The international traffic issue you touched on is a big one for marketers, especially when you look at the style of user engagement. I would argue that users who have used Facebook since the beginning, when they were in college and it was far more private, use Facebook in a significantly different way than users in international markets who now have the opportunity to adopt Facebook in its current form for the first time. Brands need to take this into account as they continue to engage Facebook users in more ways than just straight-up advertising.
  • Peter Kim · 1 year ago
    Your mockup looks eerily similar to...MySpace.

    Did you see the article by Bob Garfield on monetizing Facebook? Back in September, he hypothesized a Netflix-data mining-type approach to affiliate transactions as an alternative towards ad-focused monetization. Worth a read, IMO.
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    re: netflix-data mining approach to affiliate transactions, I just don't think that'll work. It's absolutely a gearhead approach to the problem, which would make it attractive to Facebook, but also much riskier. The problem is the lack of commercial intent on Facebook, and given the low % payouts of affiliates, I think it'd lead to an OK supplement of revenue but certainly not multi-billion revenues.
  • spanky · 1 year ago
    Ok, Andrew, what's your point w/ the imvu ad? jk... I wish that fb ad inventory would open up :)
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    i <3 imvu
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    btw, can you shoot me an email at voodoo at gmail? I want to ask you something. Thanks!
  • Brad · 1 year ago
    When i saw the title, I was about 1/2 expecting to just see a screenshot of myspace.
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    All the elements of the screenshot are scaped off of MySpace, so you were 1/2 right!
  • Devin Reams · 1 year ago
    Hah I remember doing some 'fuzzy math' on how over 1/4 of MySpace is ads. http://mindaverse.com/2006/02/08/myspace-ads-suck/

    MySpace was my immediate response to this title, too. ;)
  • iamabuzzkilliguess · 1 year ago
    The idyllic notions of social apps - free or mostly free - will experience the ad revenue pendulum soon enough. Everyone knows its coming.


    I've always wondered where online advertising is going and have maintained that it is simply not sustainable 3 - 4 years out. We're heading in that direction. Web companies are going to have to start charging for the most basic functions and everyone will come back to reality.

    How about just charging users $1/month? Don't they have millions of users? Does everything have to be ad based? Certainly, that's what investors are hoping for - as well as the FB founders; however, I'm not even sure that people even see ads when they go online. I have to believe that most folks are at least a little like me - they have filtered ads mentally, that they don't even see them anymore. They've trained their eyes to naturally seek meaningful content.

    Are we talking about the Joe Plumber Hockey Mom who is an infrequent web user? I have to think that they're the same way or will be over time. Unless forced - like with a DVD or television commercial, they won't look at them. Going three or four years out, what is the sustainable revenue model here? Will sites start sponsoring buttons - in other words, to get this certain piece of functionality, the user has to click on the HP-sponsored button?

    Going back to a pay model, perhaps users will be paying on a per click basis for certain functions within social apps and ad-hacks will be relegated to more traditional means? Alternatively, advertisers will only be paying for splashes (mind/eye-space), and always paying a very high premium for clicks.
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    i think charging ALL users is too coarse of a solution. You have to remember that as a communication medium, a lot of the inherent value comes from other people on the site. Remember Metcalfe's law, which said that the value of the network grows exponentially as you add nodes? Well the reverse is also true, and if you lose members you are exponentially destroying value, ouch! I write more about this here: http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/05/19/social-net...

    So I think the major point would be to extract money from users who are willing to pay to use Facebook, but leave the people who wouldn't pay alone. The challenge is in price discriminating the former from the latter, while still getting everyone to come back to your site :)

    Now don't get me wrong, you could absolutely generate a ton of value from charging people, and a lot of folks would stay. But you should also remember that Facebook raised a TON of money and that anything other than a massive multi-billion dollar homerun is a failure case.
  • jeffwong · 1 year ago
    $10 a year. Now that people have experienced FB for free, they can decide if it's useful and meaningful enough in their life to pay for it. Due to network effects, it's unlikely everyone will move.

    I'd sure as hell pay it. FB told me when my cousin's had babies and when my niece moved to Cornell. A great way of overcoming grudges of our parents.
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    see the reply I write above :)
  • rohit · 1 year ago
    "In fact, more complex technology and coining terms like “social graph” will only hurt, not help, in realizing the monetization potential around Facebook. "

    And this is the money line that applies to more properties than just fb.
  • Andrew Chen · 1 year ago
    :)

    thanks for stopping by Rohit! Hope all is well.
  • Andrew Chen (CoNotes) · 1 year ago
    What do you think the chances are that Facebook's primary revenue plan is to become a hosted application platform?

    Their moves over the past 2 years seem to indicate this is where they plan on going. Perhaps charging partners a fee per user?